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The Talmud answers: When that baraita is taught, it is with regard to combining with others to form a quorum of 3 to recite Grace after Meals, as a mourner is obligated to recite Grace after Meals. However, when R' Yoḥanan says that mourners are not included in the tally, it is with regard to the
And the Talmud raises an objection: However, that which R' Yitzḥak said that R' Yoḥanan said: One recites the blessing of the grooms in a quorum of 10, and the grooms are included in the tally, and one recites the blessing of the mourners in a quorum of 10, and the mourners are not included in the t
The Talmud asks: However, with regard to that which R' Yitzḥak said that R' Yoḥanan said: One recites the blessing of the grooms in a quorum of 10 all 7 days of celebration, and the grooms are included in the tally; and one recites the blessing of the mourners all 7 days of mourning in a quorum of
§ This is similar to that incident involving Rav Ḥiyya bar Abba, who was the Bible teacher of the sons of Reish Lakish, and some say that he was the Mishnah teacher of the son of Reish Lakish. His child died. On the 1st day, Reish Lakish did not go to comfort him. The next day, he took Yehuda bar N
And there are those who say that the child who died was not a small child, but a youth, and this is what the disseminator said to him: “Therefore YHWH shall have no joy in their young men, nor shall He have compassion on their orphans and widows, for everyone is a flatterer and an evildoer, and ever